Post by Michelle on Aug 1, 2008 16:35:24 GMT -5
Tutorial: Creating Warmbloods for Dummies
by Julianne
Nobody wants to look like a dummy when they're just getting started in a new game! Here is a step-by-step tutorial of how to create a Warmblood without looking silly.
1) Pick a Warmblood.
Maybe you're reading that as "Pick a breed" but don't you dare! Warmbloods are not breeds, except for Trakehners. Anyhow, pick a Warmblood!
+ Trakehner
+ Hanoverian
+ Holsteiner
+ Oldenburg
+ Brandenburger
+ Württemberger
+ Mecklenburger
+ Bavarian Warmblood
+ Zweibrücker
+ Rhinelander
+ Westphalian
+ Saxon-Thüringian
+ Dutch Warmblood
+ Belgian Warmblood
+ Swedish Warmblood
+ Zangersheide
+ Selle Français
+ Swiss Warmblood
+ Danish Warmblood
There are others. If you have specific questions about those not listed, please do ask!
Okay, you've picked a Warmblood. Excellent!
2) Pick a Name.
Names are very important and most registries have very specific rules.
+ Character restrictions. Usually, names are limited to between 17 and 20 characters. Arabic numbers (1,2,3) are not allowed, neither are characters other than hyphens (-) or apostrophes (').
+ Prefixes and suffixes. The tradition of adding a prefix (like "Farnley" in Farnley Lustre) to a horse's name comes from Britain, and is by and large not done in Warmbloods for reasons you may see later. Suffices, which come at the END of the name, are more acceptable, especially if it's just an initial. For example, the Dutch stallion Krack C, or the horses bred by Wiepke van de Lageweg such as Vegas VDL. If a horse does have a prefix, such as Dobel's Cento, it is usually ONLY for advertising purposes. Dobel supports Cento financially, but his registered name is just "Cento." Same applies to the Eurocommerce horses. I personally suffix my homebreds with the initial "M" for example Corinth M. ALL Zangersheide horses are suffixed with the letter "Z".
+ Patrilineal naming. This is the most common form of naming for Warmbloods. Patrilineal means "father-line" so that a horse's name begins with the same first letter as his sire's. For example, Alino by Aquilino by Argentinus by Argentan by Absatz by Abglanz. Get the picture?
This is the absolute rule for Hanoverians, Holsteiner COLTS, Oldenburg COLTS, Brandenburgers, Württembergers, Mecklenburgers, Zweibrücken, Rhinelanders, Westphalians, Saxon-Thüringians, Bavarian Warmbloods, Swedish Warmbloods, Swiss Warmbloods, Zangersheide, and Danish Warmbloods.
+ Matrilineal naming. This is less common but may become more common as it does have organizational benefits. Matrilineal means "mother-line" so that a horse's name begins with the same first letter as his dam's. ALL TRAKEHNERS are named matrilineally. Oldenburg FILLIES are named matrilineally.
+ Naming by year. Where foals born in a particular year all have names that begin with the same letter. This is how Holsteiner FILLIES, Dutch Warmbloods, Belgian Warmbloods, and Selle Français are named.
Holsteiner fillies...
1986 = A
1994 = I or J
2000 = P
2001 = R
2002 = S
2003 = T
2004 = U
2005 = V
2006 = W
2007 = Z
Selle Francais...
1988 = A
Dutch Warmblood...
1982 = A
Skip Q
Belgian Warmblood...
2000 = A
Goes to W and then back to A.
+ Naming themes. Most Warmblood names are one word, and it's considered very poor taste to put in the parent's name like Shedden's Miracle or something like that. Pronouns are similarly frowned upon, but of course it's up to you.
+ Full brothers are often given the same name. Welt Hit I, Welt Hit II, Welt Hit III (there were six of them).
3) Pick a Color.
This is also important. Under current EU law a registry can't deny a horse on the basis of color, but until someone with deep pockets sues the offenders, the rules remain. Keep to the following guidelines.
+ Trakehners come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, grey with 1 line of roan and 1 line of tobiano pinto. All colors are welcome. Creme and frame overo could be introduced from a Thoroughbred line.
+ Hanoverians come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey. No other colors are allowed, and patterns are not allowed.
+ Holsteiners come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey. No other colors are allowed, and patterns are not allowed. Any white marking bigger than a dinner plate is an excluding mark. Black, brown, bay and grey are more popular than chestnut.
+ Oldenburgs come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey with several Samber-related tobiano lines and a handful of creme lines. All colors are allowed. Roan could be introduced from Trakehners, frame overo from Thoroughbreds.
+ Brandenburgers, Württembergers, Mecklenburgers, Bavarian Warmbloods, Zweibrücken, Rhinelanders, Westphalians, and Saxon-Thüringians are allowed in any color. Black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey are most common but creme, roan, frame and tobiano could easily be introduced.
+ Dutch Warmbloods come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and the tobiano pattern from Samber. Other colors could be introduced but may not be welcome.
+ Belgian Warmbloods come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced.
+ Swedish Warmblood come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, grey, palomino, buckskin, and smokey black. Double-dilutes are not allowed and pintos are frowned on.
+ Zangersheide come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced.
+ Selle Français come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced, though would probably be frowned upon.
+ Swiss Warmblood come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced. There is a tobiano stallion, Irco Pino, who is approved.
+ Danish Warmblood come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced. HOWEVER, there are separate Danish Palomino and Danish Pinto societies that follow the same keuring procedures as any warmblood registry. I imagine that while a colorful horse would not be disallowed by the Danish Warmblood registry, everyone would wonder why it wasn't just registered Palomino or Pinto.
4) Pick a Discipline.
+ Trakehners are bred to be dressage horses rather than jumpers. Plenty of Eventers and Hunters.
+ Hanoverians are bred for dressage, and jumping, and are good hunters. Those by or out of a Thoroughbred can be good Eventers.
+ Holsteiners are good at jumping. A Holsteiner dressage horse occurs by accident. Usually too heavy to be an Eventer and too much knee action for Hunters.
+ Oldenburgs are bred for dressage and jumping, and are good hunters. Those by or out of a Thoroughbred can be good Eventers. Same goes for Brandenburgers, Württembergers, Mecklenburgers, Bavarian Warmbloods, Zweibrücken, Rhinelanders, and Saxon-Thüringians.
+ Westphalians are bred more for jumping.
+ Dutch Warmbloods are bred for dressage and jumping, and are excellent hunters. Rarely Eventers.
+ Belgian Warmbloods are bred for jumping more than dressage.
+ Zangersheide are bred ONLY for jumping.
+ Selle Français are bred almost exclusively for jumping.
According to statistics, the best jumpers are...
1. Dutch Warmbloods
2. Westphalians
3. Holsteiners
4. Selle Français
5. Belgian Warmbloods
6. Hanoverians
7. Oldenburgs
8. Zangersheide
9. Danish Warmbloods
10. Irish Sporthorses
...the best dressage horses are...
1. Hanoverians
2. Dutch Warmbloods
3. Oldenburgs
4. Swedish Warmbloods
5. Danish Warmbloods
6. Westphalians
7. Trakehners
8. Holsteiners
9. PRE (Spanish Purebred/Andalusian)
10. Rhinelanders
...the best eventers are...
1. Not Warmbloods
2. Irish Sporthorses
3. Hanoverians (all by TBs)
4. SHBGB
5. Holsteiners (mostly by TBs)
6. French Anglo-Arabs
7. Selle Français
8. Trakehners
9. Swedish Warmbloods
10. Dutch Warmbloods
I've done some research and come up with some more information!
Selle Français do come in the tobiano pattern. They are fully registered (SF A) and accepted, being descended from:
La Flutte, 1965 bay tobiano mare, or
Beatrix V, 1967 chestnut tobiano mare
They are not related to Zorba (Dutch) or Eva (Trakehner).
Additionally, there is a creme line in Russian Trakehners that comes from an Akhal-Teke ancestor. Russian Trakehners are not usually appreciated to the same standard as German ones, and are not recognized by the KWPN in particular. Oskar II is a famous and respected Russian Trakehner sire.
There are Samber-related tobianos in the Belgian Warmblood (BWP) studbook, Utah van Erpekom prominent among them. His full brother, Eclips van Erpekom, was an auction-topper in 2007. Also in the Peer auction was a bay tobiano mare named Verona G.
by Julianne
Nobody wants to look like a dummy when they're just getting started in a new game! Here is a step-by-step tutorial of how to create a Warmblood without looking silly.
1) Pick a Warmblood.
Maybe you're reading that as "Pick a breed" but don't you dare! Warmbloods are not breeds, except for Trakehners. Anyhow, pick a Warmblood!
+ Trakehner
+ Hanoverian
+ Holsteiner
+ Oldenburg
+ Brandenburger
+ Württemberger
+ Mecklenburger
+ Bavarian Warmblood
+ Zweibrücker
+ Rhinelander
+ Westphalian
+ Saxon-Thüringian
+ Dutch Warmblood
+ Belgian Warmblood
+ Swedish Warmblood
+ Zangersheide
+ Selle Français
+ Swiss Warmblood
+ Danish Warmblood
There are others. If you have specific questions about those not listed, please do ask!
Okay, you've picked a Warmblood. Excellent!
2) Pick a Name.
Names are very important and most registries have very specific rules.
+ Character restrictions. Usually, names are limited to between 17 and 20 characters. Arabic numbers (1,2,3) are not allowed, neither are characters other than hyphens (-) or apostrophes (').
+ Prefixes and suffixes. The tradition of adding a prefix (like "Farnley" in Farnley Lustre) to a horse's name comes from Britain, and is by and large not done in Warmbloods for reasons you may see later. Suffices, which come at the END of the name, are more acceptable, especially if it's just an initial. For example, the Dutch stallion Krack C, or the horses bred by Wiepke van de Lageweg such as Vegas VDL. If a horse does have a prefix, such as Dobel's Cento, it is usually ONLY for advertising purposes. Dobel supports Cento financially, but his registered name is just "Cento." Same applies to the Eurocommerce horses. I personally suffix my homebreds with the initial "M" for example Corinth M. ALL Zangersheide horses are suffixed with the letter "Z".
+ Patrilineal naming. This is the most common form of naming for Warmbloods. Patrilineal means "father-line" so that a horse's name begins with the same first letter as his sire's. For example, Alino by Aquilino by Argentinus by Argentan by Absatz by Abglanz. Get the picture?
This is the absolute rule for Hanoverians, Holsteiner COLTS, Oldenburg COLTS, Brandenburgers, Württembergers, Mecklenburgers, Zweibrücken, Rhinelanders, Westphalians, Saxon-Thüringians, Bavarian Warmbloods, Swedish Warmbloods, Swiss Warmbloods, Zangersheide, and Danish Warmbloods.
+ Matrilineal naming. This is less common but may become more common as it does have organizational benefits. Matrilineal means "mother-line" so that a horse's name begins with the same first letter as his dam's. ALL TRAKEHNERS are named matrilineally. Oldenburg FILLIES are named matrilineally.
+ Naming by year. Where foals born in a particular year all have names that begin with the same letter. This is how Holsteiner FILLIES, Dutch Warmbloods, Belgian Warmbloods, and Selle Français are named.
Holsteiner fillies...
1986 = A
1994 = I or J
2000 = P
2001 = R
2002 = S
2003 = T
2004 = U
2005 = V
2006 = W
2007 = Z
Selle Francais...
1988 = A
Dutch Warmblood...
1982 = A
Skip Q
Belgian Warmblood...
2000 = A
Goes to W and then back to A.
+ Naming themes. Most Warmblood names are one word, and it's considered very poor taste to put in the parent's name like Shedden's Miracle or something like that. Pronouns are similarly frowned upon, but of course it's up to you.
+ Full brothers are often given the same name. Welt Hit I, Welt Hit II, Welt Hit III (there were six of them).
3) Pick a Color.
This is also important. Under current EU law a registry can't deny a horse on the basis of color, but until someone with deep pockets sues the offenders, the rules remain. Keep to the following guidelines.
+ Trakehners come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, grey with 1 line of roan and 1 line of tobiano pinto. All colors are welcome. Creme and frame overo could be introduced from a Thoroughbred line.
+ Hanoverians come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey. No other colors are allowed, and patterns are not allowed.
+ Holsteiners come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey. No other colors are allowed, and patterns are not allowed. Any white marking bigger than a dinner plate is an excluding mark. Black, brown, bay and grey are more popular than chestnut.
+ Oldenburgs come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey with several Samber-related tobiano lines and a handful of creme lines. All colors are allowed. Roan could be introduced from Trakehners, frame overo from Thoroughbreds.
+ Brandenburgers, Württembergers, Mecklenburgers, Bavarian Warmbloods, Zweibrücken, Rhinelanders, Westphalians, and Saxon-Thüringians are allowed in any color. Black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey are most common but creme, roan, frame and tobiano could easily be introduced.
+ Dutch Warmbloods come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and the tobiano pattern from Samber. Other colors could be introduced but may not be welcome.
+ Belgian Warmbloods come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced.
+ Swedish Warmblood come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, grey, palomino, buckskin, and smokey black. Double-dilutes are not allowed and pintos are frowned on.
+ Zangersheide come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced.
+ Selle Français come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced, though would probably be frowned upon.
+ Swiss Warmblood come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced. There is a tobiano stallion, Irco Pino, who is approved.
+ Danish Warmblood come in black, brown, bay, chestnut, and grey and do not restrict color. Tobiano, frame, creme, and roan could be introduced. HOWEVER, there are separate Danish Palomino and Danish Pinto societies that follow the same keuring procedures as any warmblood registry. I imagine that while a colorful horse would not be disallowed by the Danish Warmblood registry, everyone would wonder why it wasn't just registered Palomino or Pinto.
4) Pick a Discipline.
+ Trakehners are bred to be dressage horses rather than jumpers. Plenty of Eventers and Hunters.
+ Hanoverians are bred for dressage, and jumping, and are good hunters. Those by or out of a Thoroughbred can be good Eventers.
+ Holsteiners are good at jumping. A Holsteiner dressage horse occurs by accident. Usually too heavy to be an Eventer and too much knee action for Hunters.
+ Oldenburgs are bred for dressage and jumping, and are good hunters. Those by or out of a Thoroughbred can be good Eventers. Same goes for Brandenburgers, Württembergers, Mecklenburgers, Bavarian Warmbloods, Zweibrücken, Rhinelanders, and Saxon-Thüringians.
+ Westphalians are bred more for jumping.
+ Dutch Warmbloods are bred for dressage and jumping, and are excellent hunters. Rarely Eventers.
+ Belgian Warmbloods are bred for jumping more than dressage.
+ Zangersheide are bred ONLY for jumping.
+ Selle Français are bred almost exclusively for jumping.
According to statistics, the best jumpers are...
1. Dutch Warmbloods
2. Westphalians
3. Holsteiners
4. Selle Français
5. Belgian Warmbloods
6. Hanoverians
7. Oldenburgs
8. Zangersheide
9. Danish Warmbloods
10. Irish Sporthorses
...the best dressage horses are...
1. Hanoverians
2. Dutch Warmbloods
3. Oldenburgs
4. Swedish Warmbloods
5. Danish Warmbloods
6. Westphalians
7. Trakehners
8. Holsteiners
9. PRE (Spanish Purebred/Andalusian)
10. Rhinelanders
...the best eventers are...
1. Not Warmbloods
2. Irish Sporthorses
3. Hanoverians (all by TBs)
4. SHBGB
5. Holsteiners (mostly by TBs)
6. French Anglo-Arabs
7. Selle Français
8. Trakehners
9. Swedish Warmbloods
10. Dutch Warmbloods
I've done some research and come up with some more information!
Selle Français do come in the tobiano pattern. They are fully registered (SF A) and accepted, being descended from:
La Flutte, 1965 bay tobiano mare, or
Beatrix V, 1967 chestnut tobiano mare
They are not related to Zorba (Dutch) or Eva (Trakehner).
Additionally, there is a creme line in Russian Trakehners that comes from an Akhal-Teke ancestor. Russian Trakehners are not usually appreciated to the same standard as German ones, and are not recognized by the KWPN in particular. Oskar II is a famous and respected Russian Trakehner sire.
There are Samber-related tobianos in the Belgian Warmblood (BWP) studbook, Utah van Erpekom prominent among them. His full brother, Eclips van Erpekom, was an auction-topper in 2007. Also in the Peer auction was a bay tobiano mare named Verona G.
